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10.12.2010 02:54 - Balkan Leaks, или Balkan Izmama ?
Автор: borsi Категория: Новини   
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Днес почти всички медии в страната блъвнаха информация за български вариант на добилия популярност Wikileaks.

Какво обаче стои за българската версия (www.balkanleaks.eu)? Все още твърде неясно. Няколко документа, имащи макар и не голяма известност, няколко имена, но иначе нищо ново или секретно. За сега, нищо. Може би утре, или до няколко дни? Ще видим.
Има и една голяма разлика между оригиналния Wikileaks и българския му вариант. Зад оригиналния има лице, това на създателя му, а тук няма. 
Мен лично ме усъмни и това, че във всички български медии днес цъфна съобщение за сайта Balkan Leaks.

Нищо чудно този сайт да е истински създаден настина за целите написани в него ( "...искаме прозрачност и за да се борим срещу организираната престъпност и политическата корупция на Балканите"), но може да е създаден и от наши служби, или от хора които не искат да изтича информация.
А може и от хора които искат да събират информация?!
В оригиналния Уикилийкс тази информация не е под контрола на властта, а тук?Самите български служби може да са създатели,  така да ловят наивници пуснали истинска информация, а за заблуда са вкарали старички, но не чак толкова известни данни за стръв и зарибяване. 
Нищо не пречи сайта да е създание на ДАНС, МВР, разузнаване и т.н., или на някоя частна компания или групировка, решила покрай шумотевицата да пусне малко стръв и да се опита да събере истинска информация, с която да хване за топките някой полезен за тях високопоставен. 
Ако пък съм лице което е замесено някъде в нещо понамирисващо, агент на чуждо разузнаване, политик замесен в корупция и т.н. и се страхува да не изтече информация, сам бих дал 500-1000-2000 лева да си направя подобен сайт примамка. Дори да не работи перфектно поне ще опитам. 
Преди време бях за риба. Не съм бил никога рибар, но го направих от скука. Край малкия язовир имаше много рибари, с модерни въдици, докато моя милост бе въоръжен с въдица под наем и то някаква бракувана, която никой не е взел. След малко мислене, взех един хляб, започнах да правя от средата му малки топчета и ги мятах във водата. Клъвна. Започнах да мятам топчетата все по близко до себе си, а току до краката си наръсих обилно водата с трохи. Когато шараните се скупчиха метнах въдицата, а на нея пак трошица. Само за около час налових към 10 шарана, под завистливите погледи на рибарите отсреща. 
Казвам този случай само защото нещо ми понамирисва и ми стана весело покрай българската версия на Wikileaks
От къде на къде и защо медиите ни, така мудни иначе и така пресяващи всяка информация, изведнъж налетяха вкупом на сайт регистриран вчера и почнаха да го цитират с такова вдъхновение? Кога медиите ни са рекламирали така сайт? Аз поне, спомен нямам, освен някой за който е платено, или някой съвсем безобиден, като оня сайт-опит на хлапе, да направи социална мрежа за съучениците си. А сега? 
“Няма нужда да ходите в чужбина, имаме си местен български сайт, пускайте секретна информация в него!”
Да бе, да! Пък един мормот загъва шоколада. Пощенска кутия за корупция, телефон на доверието и приемен ден на кмета.  
Тоя медиен алтруизъм ми е съмнителен. Тошо Тошев, БТВ, Нова и разни официални сайтове, станаха от раз любители на свободното слово. От кога?

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Ако бих пуснал информация, бих я пуснал в оригинала Уикиликс“. Там има гаранция, че ще излезе не само по света, но ще се размирише и тук, а и е по-безопасно. Дори да се изтече информация за източника (за сега от оригинала „Уикиликс“ няма изтекла информация за източниците им) никой няма да смее да ви пипне, ако милиони хора знаят за вас. Най-много да ви направят герой, ако някой реши да ви репресира. Докато с местния български вариант, гаранция няма, могат я от ДАНС, я някой тъмни субекти да ви дойдат на гости. Човек въобще, ако ще прави нещо, е добре да минира около себе си, да се подсигури, да залага на сигурно и да не се лови на стръв, която може да е за шарани. 

Бих се радвал да греша. А дали съм прав или не ще се види. Ако в сайта излезе наистина скандална и неизвестна до сега информация за корупция или някой политик, то значи греша и лично ще поднеса извинения. А до тогава? Само ще се забавлявам със шараните и техните ловци. 




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FOREX (ФОРЕКС), АКЦИИ, ФЮЧЪРСИ 


Тагове:   balkan,   Forex,   Форекс,


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1. ok3223 - Здравейте!
10.12.2010 04:41
Май така ще да е.Котараците от българската и за каквато се сетиш мафия задружно с ДАНС-ове разни, залагат въдици на лов за шарани. Отдавна търговията с информация е доходен занаят за мнозина. Ама старите плъхове няма да се хванат. ТЕ снасят информация за пари и само за пари и са хора от занаята, които знаят как да се пазят от разкриване. Може да се хване някой наивен борец за правда и свобода, но и те намяляха .
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2. borsi - Ще видим какво ще излезе от цялата ...
10.12.2010 04:50
Ще видим какво ще излезе от цялата тази дандания. :)
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3. apostapostoloff - Особено смешни
10.12.2010 04:55
са пасажите, посветени на ГЪЗмизов. Интелигентен бил? ГЪЗмизов е един посредствен шарлатанин с килийно образование. Не е успял този кретен едно висше да вземе, въпреки формулата "Който не е влязъл, той не е завършил." Този факт сам по себе си говори за това, че ГЪЗмизов е изключителен тъпанар.

Освен това той години наред се е лекувал от психическо заболяване, което още повече влошава общата картина.

Луд, луд, ама не вземе да се удави, ами далавери върти, за които в най- скоро време ще отговаря. Чрез конфликт на интереси е успял да отмъкне цели 300 000 лева, с които плаща на охранители, защото е ОЧЕВАДНО, че е гузен. Много гузен.
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4. annews - Яне, Яне...
10.12.2010 09:11
... а дали пък Яне Янев не си е направил личен сайт...)))
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5. анонимен - ...
10.12.2010 09:14
На мене въобще целия проект Уикилийкс ми намирисва. Как пък тъй водещи печатни издания хукнаха да работят заедно, мастити медии да го цитират, съответно рекламират? Ако тази информация не е по свирката на "кукловодите" (собственици на тези медии) по света щеше да се шуми за това само по интернет. Да, ама не... Ще пожиеем, ще видим... На нищо не вярвам вече.
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6. анонимен - Гардиън си гледат бизнеса и искат да ...
10.12.2010 09:17
Гардиън си гледат бизнеса и искат да си качат тиража. Нищо чудно, че работят с него, а не като нашите плюнки е медиите, които вече никой не иска да чете.
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7. анонимен - ехх
10.12.2010 10:36
Оффф, почнете да се образовате малко преди да пишете статийй. Цитат от сайта:
To submit just follow those simple steps:

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1. Download and install the Tor Browser Bundle for your system.

2. Launch the Tor browser and connect to our tor enabled server: http://r52mjuw7bkfbgtht.onion/upload/index.php

3. Wait! Tor is secure, but slow :-( If it really takes too long to join the page reload the tor browser.

4. Upload the files and disconnect.
"

Прочети малко какво е Tor Browser и защо НЕ МОЖЕШ ДА БЪДЕШ ПРОСЛЕДЕН ако ползваш този метод, така че момента с "ловуването" на наивници го пропусни.
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8. анонимен - Za 7. анонимен
10.12.2010 10:40
Dali ?! :))))
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9. анонимен - Право на отговор
10.12.2010 12:26
Драги колега блогър,

Тъй като от години съм ангажиран с каузата за свободата на словото в България приех предложението на групата BalkanLeaks да стана говорител и лице за контакт. Ето отговорите на въпросите, които резонно повдигаш.

- службите нямат никакъв пръст в тази инициатива;
- качването на документи не може да се проследи, защото се използва tor технологията - бавна, но сигурна. Това впрочем обезмисля и всякаква намеса на едни или други служби;

- wikileaks за съжаление не приема нови документи от месеци. Говори се за алтернативен проект и дано той по-скоро да види бял свят;

И за нас е изненада настървението на медиите да отразяват balkanleaks, но нито сме плащали, нито сме търсили такъв ефект. 

Моето лично обяснение, което не всички споделят е, че се говори за проекта, за да се замъглят пресните скандални неща изнесени в него: 1. фактът, че меморандумът за АЕЦ Белене е писан не от МИЕ или от НЕК, а от човек на Богомил Манчев и 2. Висши магистрати и адвокати членуват в масонска ложа. 

Всичко друго публикувано в сайта е вече известно и служи за подложка (бекграунд) и архив.

Поздрави,

Атанас
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10. panazea - Зад всеки български сайт стои Цензор ! Ха ха !
10.12.2010 12:56
Не забравяйте , че расли в пълна изолация , ние се научихме да четем между редовете и да се сещаме за това , което не е написано.
Ами изработихме си тази интуиция !
И сега изваждането на показ на тайни документи от преди 50 години не ни казват нищо ново , само подтвърждават това , за което ние се досещахме !
Не подценявайте българския потребител. Той научава много повече от онова , което искате да му съобщите !
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11. eltimir - Капан
10.12.2010 12:58
borsi, напълно споделям твоето мнение. Стар политически затворник съм, участвал съм и в недотам официални групи, като Дружеството на Илия Минев, например. та все някакъв опит имам. В тоя случай не понамирисва, ами направо смърди на измама и на ченгесарница. Сещам се за една групировка, на която службите биха се опитали да създадат имидж, ама ще почакам докато не науча нещо по-конкретно.
Сега мъничък тест за любителите на истината.
Вече пета година обвинявам Павлин Димитров, бивш шеф на ДС - Ботевград и сегашен зам. министър на МВР в съучастие при терористичен акт. хайде да видим дали тези ще се заинтересуват и дали ще публикщуват данните. Не съм анонимен, заставам зад всяка своя дума и съм готов да подкрепя своите твърдения с документи. Хайде, Атанасе, докажи, че си истински. Можеш да видиш и моя сайт, там има предостатъчно факти:
http://eltimir.ucoz.ru/
А ето ти и малко снимки от атентата:
http://eltimir.ucoz.ru/photo/atentatt/29
В същата фотогалерия има и снимки на покровителствани от ДАНС агенти на ГРУ. По-точно на хазарското лоби в ГРУ. Има и още, ама вярвам, че и дотук казах достатъчно. засега.
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12. анонимен - До Атанас, от Спас :)))
10.12.2010 16:24
"wikileaks за съжаление не приема нови документи от месеци..."

Дърта лъжа :)

Поздрави,

Спас
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13. анонимен - Не е лъжа
10.12.2010 20:57
Това съобщение е на сайта от лятото в страницата Submissions NOTE: At the moment WikiLeaks is not accepting new submissions due to re-engineering improvements the site to make it both more secure and more user-friendly. Since we are not currently accepting submissions during the re-engineering, we have also temporarily closed our online chat support for how to make a submission. We anticipate reopening the electronic drop box and live chat support in the near future.

Поздрави
Атанас
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14. анонимен - re: 13. анонимен
10.12.2010 22:13
Не виждам такова нещо на сайта им: www.wikileaks.ch

www.wikileaks.ch/mirrors.html
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15. анонимен - http://www.wikileaks.ch/submissions.html
10.12.2010 22:20
Submissions


NOTE: At the moment WikiLeaks is not accepting new submissions due to re-engineering improvements the site to make it both more secure and more user-friendly. Since we are not currently accepting submissions during the re-engineering, we have also temporarily closed our online chat support for how to make a submission. We anticipate reopening the electronic drop box and live chat support in the near future.
1. Material we accept

Wikileaks will accept restricted or censored material of political, ethical, diplomatic or historical significance. We do not accept rumor, opinion, other kinds of first hand accounts or material that is publicly available elsewhere. This is because our journalists write news stories based on the material, and then provide a link to the supporting documentation to prove our stories are true. It's not news if it has been publicly available elsewhere first, and we are a news organisation. However, from time to time, the editors may re-publish material that has been made public previously elsewhere if the information is in the public interest but did not have proper news analysis when first released.

If you are sending us something, we encourage you to include a brief description of why the documents is important and what the most significants parts are within the document. It will help our journalists to write up and released the story much faster.

2 Our anonymous electronic drop box

Wikileaks has an anonymous electronic drop box if you wish to provide original material to our journalists. Wikileaks accepts a range of material, but we do not solicit it. If you are going to send in material it should be done as securely as possible. That is why we have created our novel method of submission based on a suite of security technologies designed to provide anonymity. We have put a great deal of technical and design work into the drop box because we take the journalist-source relationship very seriously.

2.1 Its easy to submit

Our drop box is easy to use and provides military-grade encryption protection.

Submitting documents to our journalists is protected by law in better democracies. For other countries, the electronic drop box is there to offer help and protection. It is particularly designed to keep your identity hidden from everyone, including WikiLeaks. We never keep logs of who uses the drop box or where they are coming from.

There are several ways to send in material, but the most secure and anonymous is at the following link.

(currently closed for re-engineering security and useability improvements)

To add another layer of protection,you might also want to use the secure TOR network (http://suw74isz7qqzpmgu.onion/) Tor is a secure anonymous distributed network that provides maximum security.

2.2 Help with any questions about submitting

You can also chat to us online and we will answer any questions or solve any problems you might have with submitting (https://chat.wikileaks.org) (Currently temporarily closed with the electronic drop box for re-engineering.) Our chat is designed to be secure and anonymous. Visitors are protected by many layers of security. They can not see each other. There is a mechanism in place to stop logging and the server forbids potentially dangerous commands that could reveal other user's identity. Communication is secured with SSL encryption.

2.3 Protection for you

Wikileaks does not record any source-identifying information and there are a number of mechanisms in place to protect even the most sensitive submitted documents from being sourced. We do not keep any logs. We can not comply with requests for information on sources because we simply do not have the information to begin with. Similarly we can not see your real identity in any anonymised chat sessions with us. Our only knowledge of you as a source is if you provide a coded name to us. A lot of careful thought by world experts in security technologies has gone into the design of these systems to provide the maximum protection to you. Wikileaks has never revealed a source.

2.4 How it works

When WikiLeaks receives a document, our accredited journalists assess the submission. If it meets the criteria, our journalists then write or produce a news piece based on the document. This typically includes a description of the document, an analysis of why it is important, and an explanation of what it signifies to broader society. The news piece might also highlight the parts of the document that are most newsworthy. Our news stories are deliberately analytical regarding the wider significance of the document. We then link from the news piece to the original submission.

Submissions establish a journalist-source relationship. Online submissions are routed via countries which have strong shield laws to provide additional protection to sources and journalists.

Some documents submitted contain highly sensitive information. WikiLeaks has developed a harm minimisation proceedure to clean documents which might endanger innocent lives. In other instances, WikiLeaks may delay publishing some news stories and their supporting documents until the publication will not cause danger to such people. However in all cases, WikiLeaks will only redact the details that are absolutely necessary to this end. Everything else will be published to support the news story exactly as it appeared in the original document.

WikiLeaks has a overriding objective to publish and bring information into the public arena to encourage an informed society. It will stay doggedly true to this goal.

3. Directions for how to submit material

If you want to send us a message of your own, as opposed to a document, please see Contact.

3.1 Submissions via secure upload

Fast, easy and automatically encrypted with the best banking-grade encryption. We keep no records as to where you uploaded from, your time zone, browser or even as to when your submission was made (if you choose a non-zero publishing delay, we set the file time record to be the release date + a random time within that day).

If you are anonymously submitting a Microsoft word file (".doc") that you have edited at some stage, please try to send a PDF document (".pdf") instead, as Word documents may include your name or the name of your computer, see Word file redaction for further information. If you have no means to produce a PDF file your document will be converted by WikiLeaks staff.

The process your document will undergo is outlined for understanding submissions.

NOTE: At the moment WikiLeaks is not accepting new submissions due to re-engineering improvements the site to make it both more secure and more user-friendly. Since we are not currently accepting submissions during the re-engineering, we have also temporarily closed our online chat support for how to make a submission. We anticipate reopening the electronic drop box and live chat support in the near future.
You can also use secure TOR network (secure, anonymous, distributed network for maximum security)

3.2 Submissions via our discreet postal network

Submissions to our postal network offer a strong form of anonymity and are good for bulk truth-telling.

Steps:

First place your leak onto a floppy disk, CD, DVD or a USB Flash Drive. If you are using a floppy disks, please create two as they are often unreliable. If you only have paper documents, we will scan them if they are of significant political or media interest (if you are unsure whether this may be the case, please contact us first). This will delay the process however.
Post your information to one of our trusted truth facilitators listed below. You may post to whatever country in the list that you feel most suitable given the nature of the material and your postal service. If your country's mail system is unreliable, you may wish to send multiple copies, use DHL, FedEX or another postal courier service.
WikiLeaks truth facilitators will then upload your submission using their fast internet connection. If you use a floppy disk, be sure to send two for increased reliability.

You can use whatever return address you like, but make doubly sure you have written the destination correctly as postal workers will not be able to return the envelope to you.

After receiving your postal submission our facilitators upload the data to WikiLeaks and then destroy the mailed package.

3.3 High risk postal submissions

If your leak is extremely high risk, you may wish to post away from your local post office at a location that has no witnesses or video monitoring.

Many CD and DVD writers will include the serial number of the DVD or CD writer onto the CD/DVDs they write. If the post is intercepted this information can in theory be used to track down the manufacturer and with their co-operation, the distributor, the sales agent and so on. Consider whether there are financial records connecting you to the CD/DVD writer sale if your adversary is capable of intercepting your letter to us and has the will to do this type of expensive investigation. Pay cash if you can for the CD/DVD writer.

Similarly, CD and DVD media themselves include a non-unique manufacturing "batch number" for each group of around 10,000 CD/DVDs made. Pay cash when buying the CD or DVD. Try to choose a store without video cameras at the register.

Although we are aware of no instances where the above has been successfully used to trace an individual, anti-piracy operations have used the information to trace piracy outfits who sell tens or hundreds of thousands of counterfeit CDs or DVDs.

If you post it to us, a good option is to encrypt the USB file/CD file and then contact us at a later date via live online chat with the encryptin passphrase. That way if the post is intercepted, the data can not be copied.

If you suspect you are under physical surveillance, discreetly give the letter to a trusted friend or relative to post. On some rare occasions, targets of substantial political surveillance have been followed to the post office and have had their posted mail seized covertly. In this rare case if you are not intending to encrypt the data and if the police or intelligence services in your country are equipped to perform DNA and/or fingerprint analysis you may wish to take the appropriate handling precautions.

3.4 Postal addresses of our trusted truth facilitators

You may post to any country in our network.

Pick one that best suits your circumstances. If the country you are residing in has a postal system that is unreliable or frequently censored, you may wish to send your material to multiple addresses concurrently. For unlisted postal addresses, please contact us.

In Australia:

To: "WL" or any name likely to evade postal censorship in your country.

BOX 4080
Australia Post Office - University of Melbourne Branch
Victoria 3052
Australia
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16. анонимен - Реплика до Говорителя
11.12.2010 10:09
"...Драги колега блогър,

Тъй като от години съм ангажиран с каузата за свободата на словото в България приех предложението на групата BalkanLeaks да стана говорител и лице за контакт. Ето отговорите на въпросите, които резонно повдигаш.

- службите нямат никакъв пръст в тази инициатива;
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